War In Russia/Georgia

9 08 2008

Can someone explain to me what the HELL is going on between Russia and Georgia?

Kthnxbai!

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9 08 2008
Mr. Mack

Resources, Coma. Georgia is after more than autonomy, they have natural gas pipelines that essentially bypass Iran and Russia, (cutting them out of the deal) not to mention ports, so shipping transport is available. There has been much improvement there with respect to elections, and the rooting out of corruption.

If memory serves me (always a huge if) i believe they seek to be included in both the EU and NATO. We have military advisors there as well. This has the potential to be the next world-wide war. Scary as hell.

9 08 2008
newscoma

Been on the road and at a funeral and I’m starting to read about it in detail.
This is some scary shit from what I’m seeing.

9 08 2008
Chaya

This website will tell you a lot:

http://joelrosenberg.blogspot.com/

9 08 2008
Lee

I believe Mack’s right on this. Georgia was emerging as a democracy, was leaning west for alliances, and has the one major oil pipeline that is controlled by neither Iran nor Russia.

Russia couldn’t allow that. It’s tanks in Czechoslovakia all over again.

9 08 2008
newscoma

I’ve been reading that, Lee.
Strange and scary world right now.

9 08 2008
UK

Georgia started it by atacking osetia, americans and nato are the ones actually promoting instability… osetia is russian territory in first place…Georgian president being an american bum licker…and should get terminated for his actions!!! plus all this american news propoganding wrong source of information… like always they try to make russia bad… they already helped destroying ussr and they just one big fat giant that want to take power all over the globe, but it wont happen…

Look at them saying russia attacking such a small country when they never had yet, but in my opinion they should terminate all the leaders of georgia again becouse of they actions… And one thing about nato what did they did to prevent iraq war nothing american just spit on nato and went in for it… and now again they aint doing anything just pointless meetings that wont save humans life im afraid…

10 08 2008
10 08 2008
Serge

How long USA and so called “democratic countries” will cover the truth about this war?Around 1000 USA marines and military instructors use to train georgian`s troops before this war.USA,ISRAEL,UKRAINE, sold weapon to Georgia in huge volume.At this days african -americans military instructors were found dead in South Ossetia.New Hitler,Saakashvili who killed 2000 people mostly kids,elderly people has protection from USA,ISRAEL,UKRAINE,GB and some “friends countries”.Genocide by Saakashvili rewarded by countries who sold weapon to this dictator.Newspapers,tv,radio telling the same story about Russian invasion,but nobody says,that this war was planned event,long time before by good paid dictator Saakashvili.Why western people do not have information from South Ossettia,but fake video by tv companies? This is moment of truth and sooner or later people and countries who did it will be punished by God.

11 08 2008
georgio

I see that the russian propaganda is active also on this site. This is the russian Olympic spirit: Invade Hungary, invade Czechoslovakia, invade Afghanistan, now Georgia. It seems this is a strategy written in the manuals of the russian military academy. I as a Romanian know the “friendliness” of russian barbarism. This is the start of the second cold war ppl. Poland, Romania, Hungary and all the new EU countries should force EU to open the eyes and blockade russian state terorism.

11 08 2008
Liza

Its not Russian propaganda its the truth. Im not Russian or even ex soviet but I can read. And what I’ve been reading says that South Ossetia was attacked by Georgia last Friday ( Georgians themselves admitted it)..and this was within hours of reports that Georgia and South Ossetia had agreed to meet Friday for talks. Saakashvili had even invited Russia to play a key role in mediating peace between them and South Ossetia…and then out of the blue he attacks them!

South Ossetian refugees go to North Ossetia, which belongs to Russia, I’ve seen refugees from South Ossetia talk about the atrocities Georgians committed against them. Russia had to step in or the whole area would be destroyed. In my opinion it’s all Saakashvili’s fault, the man is dangerous.

Of course it doesn’t mean that Russia is the ‘saint’ here, surely they have their own agenda but the fact remains that Georgia started all this.

And one last thing: what’s the difference between Kosovo (whose independence the US recognised) and Ossetia?
When Kosovo’s independence was recognised, Putin was against it and he had said ‘when the same thing happens with Ossetia I’d like to see how the west will react’.

Well, we do see how the west reacts, don’t we?

11 08 2008
daniel usenko

I am myself Russian, and I grew up in Abkhazia (the other break-away region of Georgia). I currently live in the United States.

SHORT HISTORY: The Soviet Union collapse in 1991, after which many republics (including the greater Georgia) separated from Russia. At the same time Abkhazia and South Ossetia (both are republics within Georgia) decided to separate from Georgia itself. After a civil war (which I lived through) between Georgia, South Ossetia and Abkhazia, in the year 1992 an agreement has been reached to give Abkhazia and South Ossetia independence. FOR 16 YEARS ABKHAZIA AND SOUTH OSSETIA HAVE BEEN INDEPENDENT FROM GEORGIA. Georgians, Ossetians, and Abkhazians are different ethnics groups.

Now, Georgia wishes to take back South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

WHY RUSSIA IS NOT AT FAULT FOR THE WAR: Fellow Americans, please believe me that I do not defend Russia simply because I am Russian. I support justice. Georgia is the aggressor here. The Georgian army has attacked Tskhinvali killing thousands of civilians and peace-keepers, most of whom are Russian citizens. IT WAS GEORGIA THAT STARTED THE ATTACK. Russia started to defend those being attacked, and it is defending Ossetia, again, because many of those civilians are Russian citizens. Yes, it is true that Russians bombed some of the Georgian towns, for which I am saddened, that was not the right thing to do. However, that does not mean that Russia is responsible for the war as a whole.

Now, being in contact with my friends in Abkhazia, they are sure that the next step that Georgia will take is to attack them; Georgia wants to take back the land they lost 16 years ago. They do not care about the numerous lives that will be lost with this attack.

GEORGIA HAS AS MUCH RIGHT TO ATTACK OSSETIA AND ABKHAZIA, AS ENGLAND HAD RIGHT TO ATTACK THE UNITED STATES WHEN IT DECLARED INDEPENDENCE. Actually it has been a whole 16 years since they have agreed on the borders.

WHY I AM SICKENED BY THE MEDIA: I am very embarrassed by my country, the United States; all I hear is about how the Russians are killing Georgians and this poor county is suffering from Russia’s bullying. I FEEL SO SICK! Why does no one talk about the aggression that Georgia has committed on innocent people??? AGAIN, IT WAS GEORGIA THAT OPENED FIRE ON TSKHINVALI!!! RUSSIA IS ONLY FIGHTING BACK, DEFENDING ITS CITIZENS THAT LIVE THERE!!!

The media makes me sick. I wanna throw up. I have supported most of America’s actions overseas but now I am sick. WE MUST STAND FOR JUSTICE, NOT POLITICS.

TOMORROW THERE IS A VERY HIGH CHANCE THAT GEORGIA WILL ATTACK ABKHAZIA, MY HOME LAND, WHERE MY RELATIVES AND FRIENDS LIVE. ABKHAZIA HAS BEEN INDEPENDENT FOR 16 YEARS. GEORGIA HAS NO RIGHT TO INVADE NEITHER ABKHAZIA NOR OSSETIA.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT IS SICK??? IF IN FACT GEORGIA DOES ATTACK ABKHAZIA, THE UNITED STATES WILL BE SPONSORING THIS AGGRESSION AGAINST MY OWN FAMILY. THE TAXES I PAY WILL BE USED TO KILL MY FAMILY!!!

I AM SO SICK.

PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE MEDIA; PLEASE UNDERSTAND THE FACTS

13 08 2008
tony

Daniel, i feel ya man. Dont worry most americans dont listen to media anyways. Its just another form of propaganda. I dont deny georgia is at fault here but also russia has some gain out of this venture. 2 bad actions do not equal a good action, both sides are at fault and lets just pray this conflict ends soon.

13 08 2008
Donna

Daniel,

Thank you for the information. What I’m hearing is that the U.S. has called for a cease of aggression on both sides and has only received it from Georgia but is being ignored by Russia. Russia has stopped the conflict but will not stop their attack on Georgia. All we’re interested in is protecting our alliance with Georgia because of fuel interests. That’s all the U.S. is ever really interested in around the globe.

13 08 2008
anton

have a look at this video

13 08 2008
anton

watch this video:

15 08 2008
danielu

Friends,

I am not saying Russia is innocent. What I am saying is that Ossetians are victims of Saakashvili’s aggression. Please go to my blog to read more: http://danielusenko.wordpress.com/

16 08 2008
C0m4

Russia lies.
Russians lie as well.

They said there’s over 2000 killed civilians and 70% of the sity in ruins.
Its just a lie.

2000 killed means there should be about 6000 wounded. The truth is that there’s only about 200-300 wounded. After a week of fighting. There have not been a single picture showing piles of bodies or rows of graves or ANYTHING to prove that accusation.
The same about “city in ruins”. there was not a single panoramic photo shown to a public. i’ve analysed all images available on internet – the number of destroyed houses is between 15 and 20, which is less than 1% of the city.

Russia lies, russian lies. All they want is to control the whole world.
Beware, west.

16 08 2008
C0m4

“WHY RUSSIA IS NOT AT FAULT FOR THE WAR: Fellow Americans, please believe me that I do not defend Russia simply because I am Russian. I support justice. Georgia is the aggressor here. The Georgian army has attacked Tskhinvali killing thousands of civilians and peace-keepers, most of whom are Russian citizens. IT WAS GEORGIA THAT STARTED THE ATTACK. Russia started to defend those being attacked, and it is defending Ossetia, again, because many of those civilians are Russian citizens. Yes, it is true that Russians bombed some of the Georgian towns, for which I am saddened, that was not the right thing to do. However, that does not mean that Russia is responsible for the war as a whole.”

i’m really sorry to be so inpolite, but this whole quotation is a lie from the first to a last letter.
Geogria started extended police operation against rebels on IT’S, Georgia’s territory.
There was not “thousands of civilians killed”. not even hundreds.
It is truth that most of Ossetian population is Russian citizens, but what is interesting is HOW exactly they gained Russian citizenship ?
I’ll tell ya. Russia started to give away Russian passports to everyone on disputed territories to have and option to “defend” it’s citizens.
It’s like USA will give American passports to everyone in Guadalahara and after a while annex it’s territory agruing it by the fact there’s too many American citizens live.
Russia is THE ONLY SIDE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WAR for one simple reason – it’s “peasekeeping” there for about 15 years. It signed agreements with Georgia where it’s agree to return 150 000 of displaced Georgian refugees to Abkhazia and about 10 000 displaced Georgian refugees to South Ossetia, none of which has been done.
Besides, Russian supporters conviniently forget that police operation by Georgian government was provoked by shooting at Georgian villages from Ossetian ones. Where the hell was Russian “peacekeepers” ? nowhere. sitting in bunkers and drinking vodka.
Russia did everything to avoid peaceful resolution, escalate, bring Georgia to a war and than squash it in one mighty blow. Russian (and Mr. Putin personally) are the one to blame. Nobody else.

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