Thomas Beatie, The Pregnant Man

24 03 2008

Got a nice link due to Popular Fidelity, which is a groovy gig.

The story was odd in my day gig. It was about Thomas Beatie who is a man having a baby.

Just read it, you’ll understand then.

pregs32008.jpg

Advertisements

Actions

Information

57 responses

24 03 2008
Vanessa

Yes, this is definitely a new, interesting development.

Vanessa
Cross Dresser Heaven

25 03 2008
Ginger

I just thought it was a beer gut…

25 03 2008
Crazy Legs Dalton

The Washington Post is reporting that it may be a hoax. Didn’t the Governator already try it or something?

25 03 2008
fairy

Where’d the sperm come from?

25 03 2008
newscoma

I think it explains it in the article. 🙂

25 03 2008
Samantha Y.

I can’t help but wonder: if this is real and true, are they legally married? If so, how is that not a fabulous loophole that many others should get to use too?

25 03 2008
newscoma

Samantha, I’m not so sure in the long run, but it’s interesting nonetheless.

26 03 2008
nk

Why get a sex change if you’re still such a.. chick?;;;;

26 03 2008
Ken Hall

This person was born a male then as an adult underwent partial gender re-assignment surgery and was taking high doses of testosterone. This person never anatomically or medically became a full male. They retained there female sexual organs and so this can only be considered as a pregnant male in the legal sense of legal identity ONLY. This is NOT a physically, medically or anatomically pregnant male.

26 03 2008
Ken Hall

sorry, was born a FEMALE… etc etc.

26 03 2008
man having baby Trendy Here!

[…] gig. It was about Thomas Beatie who is a man having a baby. Just read it, you’ll understand then. credit : […]

26 03 2008
FRUITCAKE

I DON’T KNOW IF THIS IS REAL OR NOT , BUT IF IT IS THAN I THINK IT IS WONDERFUL HE WOULD GO THROUGH THIS FOR HIS WIFE THAT CAN’T HAVE A BABY. I SEE AND HEAR OF PEOPLE EVERYDAY THAT CAN’T HAVE BABIES AND WANT ONE AND I SEE AND HEAR OF PEOPLE THAT CAN HAVE BABIES AND ARE KILLING THEM . I MYSELF HAVE THREE AND THEY ARE A BLESSING TO ME. I WOULD LOVE TO CARRY A BABY FOR SOMEONE THAT CAN’T HAVE A BABY. GOD WORKS IN MANY WAYS AND THIS HAS TO BE ONE OF THEM OR HE WOULDN’T HAVE ALLOWED HIM TO CARRY THE LITTLE BLESSING FOR HIM AND HIS WIFE.

26 03 2008
PEACE

…um..:O it is true ..but yes..”mommy where kids come from” ?

26 03 2008
Hamwallet

So who laid the pipe to him?

26 03 2008
Heino

OK, I’m confused with all this PC BS. From what I gather, said freak was born a WOMAN because he/she decided to keep the female reproductive organs. So, now he/she is preggers. As perverted as it is – WHERE’S THE STORY?!? IT still has its original reproductive organs!

26 03 2008
Tracy

I’m with Ginger… it looks just like a beer gut

26 03 2008
Curious George

I am curious…if he stopped his testerone treatments in order to be able to carry a baby…then WHY all the facial and abdominal/chest hair? Interesting…not certain I believe this one. I have also known men who are overweight and able to push out their belly and in so doing, look VERY pregnant!! LOL

26 03 2008
angelawd

What I don’t understand is how this person is legally a male. If the person has both organs, does he/she just decide which one he/she wants to be, and that’s the person’s legal designation?

26 03 2008
Samantha Y.

I know that some people decide to raise sons with hypospadias as daughters (Jeffrey Eugenides’ Middlesex is about that), but I did not know that otherwise it was possible to legally change one’s gender.

26 03 2008
Samantha Y.

Or legally change one’s sex. I am always somewhat clueless when we start talking that sort of politics, so forgive any egregious errors.

26 03 2008
newscoma

Oh Samantha, I have no idea either. But the whole concept fascinates me.
If Thomas can do this being part of one gender, I’m watching.
If not, it kept my attention.

27 03 2008
FSJ_mx

This is about a husband who wants to give his wife the chance to have a family. I think it’s very kind and it doesn’t really matter if he is transexual. If they agreed on it, then it’s ok. And our society criticizes them just because of that? We must be comprehensive about this. In fact although he’s legally male, he still has female organs, so he is naturally a woman. Seeing the facts from this point of view, is a woman that is pregnant. It’s just that she changed her appearance.

Would you criticize a woman if she has her hair completely cut? Or a man who has decided to let his hair grow larger than yours? The most of the times, our opinions are based in what we see with our eyes, but if we see with the heart we may find a truth that it’s no as far and incomprehensible and can be the type of things that we are willing to do for those people we care about.

“Appearance is not everything is this world”

27 03 2008
FSJ_mx

This is about a husband who wants to give his wife the chance to have a family. I think it’s very kind and it doesn’t really matter if he is transexual. If they agreed on it, then it’s ok. And our society criticizes them just because of that? We must be comprehensive about this. In fact although he’s legally male, he still has female organs, so he is naturally a woman. Seeing the facts from this point of view, is a woman that is pregnant. It’s just that she changed her appearance.

Would you criticize a woman if she has her hair completely cut? Or a man who has decided to let his hair grow larger than yours? The most of the times, our opinions are based in what we see with our eyes, but if we see with the heart we may find a truth that it’s no as far and incomprehensible and can be the type of things that we are willing to do for those we care about.

“Appearance is not everything is this world”

29 03 2008
Jay

According to the news, Thomas Beatie is a transgender male and “used” to be a woman.. meaning “she’ is a real girl, in the photo she looked like man thats because she is taking testosterone and other hormonal pills and reconstructed her chest. I think maybe several people did not understand this thing, because many still asking that “could man carry a baby?” etc. the fact is she is not really a man but a woman that’s why she can still bear a child. She was only a man in legal terms. i hope this will enlighten other people.

30 03 2008
Kat

It’s true, many people are making a big deal by quoting “man having a baby”
Not true, it’s a woman living as a man having a baby, everything inside of him is a her, therefore there isn’t anything weird with him/her having a baby. How many of us have seen women that look manlier han man and man that look prettier than women. Not freaks just a way of life they chose to have. She wants to look like a man, act like a man and be the man but her wife can’t procreate so he steps up and becomes the woman again for 9 months. Nice.

31 03 2008
Thomas John

I am scared because I am also a Thomas.

Thomas John

31 03 2008
Christine Burns

As a specialist commentator in this field for many years I hope that the following Podcast may explain a lot of the background. Thomas Beatie is not the first person to be in this position — there are believed to be around a dozen overall in the world. Still, have a listen…

http://christineburns.podbean.com/2008/03/29/the-men-with-baby-bellies

Christine Burns
Equality and Diversity Specialist

1 04 2008
Misty

As a labor and delivery nurse I was very interested in this story until I read the whole story. A woman who wanted to be a man,but kept all her reproductive organs now looking like a boy,but still a girl. I feel sorry for the confused child that is about to be brought into this already confusing world!

2 04 2008
Ellesar

This is a very interesting debate which I have many divergent thoughts on. I have known trans people in the LGBT community for 20 years, and at present am having many interesting conversations with a trans lesbian who wanted to have a baby and saw a consultant about it. He is a very well respected fertility specialist, and he treated her absolutely with respect (the same man once told his staff that he was very disappointed that they could not agree to treat a HIV+ woman who wanted a baby), but the biological challenges are too great at present, or at least when she was considering it about 15 years ago.
I have known a number of trans men through the lesbian community -I have never met a trans man who identified as hetero in female persona, though I have met a trans man who began a relationship with a man very shortly after commencing transition. He has teenage children and they have been very supportive – children CAN handle all types of unusual family arrangements.
Getting the ordinary person to accept a simple transition is hard enough, but these complex issues are really beyond their scope of understanding and acceptance.

Going back to the woman I first mentioned – one of the things she said was that there were many people presenting to the doctors as trans who would be completely dishonest about their motivation. They would not live full time as women, but tell the doctor that they were. This doctor had a reputation for being really hard on people, but she felt that he was absolutely fair – her point was that if you were honest with him he would treat you well. She met a number of people who treated it as some kind of sexual tittilation, and just wanted to stand out and have their 15 minutes. She sees these people as wanting to live as transsexuals, not as women (this was just m2f people). I do not get the same feeling about f2m people at all, but I do know of one woman who went through a lot of the process, and then realised that she had made the wrong choice. It happens.

I wish Thomas Beatie and his family all the best, but this media furore, and the fact that it appears that they will get a huge amount of money from Oprah and other media deals makes me pretty disgusted – if that is true it cheapens what is a private matter, and I do not understand why they would wish to feed the media sharks

2 04 2008
Heather

Sure, great for them and makes a nice news story, but what about the child who might one day be really freaked out by the idea that his/her “dad” gave birth to her? In case anyone has forgotten most kids don’t like being the weird kid and this poor child will innocently tell his/her schoolmates that their “dad” gave birth to them and then be the butt of every freak joke in school. He may be being kind to his wife but what a bizarre and confusing situation this unsuspecting child is going to be in. I feel so bad for them. Someday they may be really grossed out by pictures of their dad’s hairy pregnant belly. I know I am.

2 04 2008
Dionne

This is effing absurd.

2 04 2008
Julie

I would be concerned that the high levels of testosterone that where previously ingested would cause teratogenic effects on the unborn fetus, thus causing harm to the fetus. Possibly causing problems down the road with the child’s own hormonal system. High levels of testosterone in females has been shown to cause PCOS. I also read an article that related high levels of testosterone with SIDS. I just don’t know if I’d be willing to risk my unborn child’s health like that. Why didn’t the wife carry the child… is she unable…did she used to be a man?? Another question, who’s the biological father. Not that it really matters, I’m just curious. I find this all very fascinating. I see the point, in that this couple has the right to have a child, and they absolutely do. However, making medical history because you selfishly want your “own” child, is just that…selfish. So many unwanted child are looking for parents. What ever happened to adopting. It makes me sad to think you could possible put a child in harms way to satisfy a selfish desire…the operative word here is desire, not need!!

2 04 2008
sunshine

I think this is completely unmoral and absurd. It is demoralizing to the human population. the child will have a confusing up bringing on why do other children have a mommy and a dady

2 04 2008
diane

i fell sorry for them the world will judge them forever when you love someone you.ll do anything for him or her so god bless them

3 04 2008
Julie

Oh please Diane…put away the judgment, and the religion…obviously God had nothing to do with this and an offering of his blessing isn’t going to do a damn thing for anyone.
Now, I see you have no clue about gender reassignment. So let me offer you this small but imperative piece of information. Prior to Thomas’ reassignment, he went through extensive psychological testing and evaluation. He agreed to forever live as a man. He ingested massive amounts of testosterone. They claim his wife was unable to have a baby…by all standards so was he. This goes much deeper then an act of love. To deep for me to sit here and write an explanatory comment deciphering the motives of this “family”. I will say this, it was probably more for money and shock value. After all, were will the world be today at 4:00….watching Thomas and Nancy display his hairy baby bump on Oprah. Guess what…and there not doing it for free sister!!!
P.S.
Let me guess, your a liberal ?

3 04 2008
afterdawn13

I think its a little weird but interesting. People need to get ready for change b/c it’s comin’ soon.

4 04 2008
Sophie E

I think its bloody wonderful and i too am about to get man parts and have a baby so i can be a pregnant man. BOO YA! Pregnant men rule!

4 04 2008
Kim

I first quote Thomas Beatie in an article found in The Advocate- “Wanting to have a biiological child is neither a male nor female desire, but a human desire”… Open your minds people! Thomas is a male. He is married to a woman. He is pregant with their daughter, who they expect in July. The photo above is NOT a picture of Thomas Beatie so stop all the “hairy beer gut comments”. I admire them for stepping forth with their story. I would too, so that I could ensure that the information is spoken about appropriately. As for the child. I was once married to a man and I had a child. After being divorced, due to my lack of heterosexuality, I have been with my partner where we, all three of us, share custody of our son. My son does not seem to be so confused having one daddy and two mommies. Children know who their family is, regardless of their gender. He will grow up to be strong and open minded. It’s just too bad none of you had the same oppurtunity… I commend Thomas and Nancy Beatie!

4 04 2008
Jane Doe

I’m just wondering….he said he didn’t get a menstrual cycle for 8 years and once he stopped the testosterone injections, it took four months to get “regular” again.

How does his body rid itself of menstrual bleeding? Does he have a vagina AND a penis? Would you put the penis over the vagina? Where does it go? I’m so confused…

4 04 2008
MotherOf2

Technically speaking this PERSON has the body parts of a woman.

This person has undergone SOME changes to be more like a man because this person identifies more as a man, then as a woman.

The entire point is this person legally ( because of a name change ) is a man but has all the female parts of a woman.

Seems pretty simple to me. Maybe I’m missing something.

4 04 2008
Kim

To Jane Doe… The regular testoterone injections that Thomas received put his body on a “hold”. Kind of like having an IUD where you just don’t have a menstrual cycle or like going through early menopause. As for his penis… with the testosterone injections, again, it causes a womans clitoris to become enlarged forming a small penis. There are many technicalities with a sex reassignment and perhaps some research will cause you to not be so “confused”. Good luck to you

4 04 2008
Lauren

To the people who are posting that “what about the child being confused” – The child will not be confused. It will have a mother and father, and in today’s world children are lucky when they have that!

People live in wierder situations everyday, when the question comes up, these parents will be glad to explain it to their child. Children are very receptive and generally if they were raised with open thinking like their parents obviously have, they will be open and understanding to how/why this happened.

4 04 2008
kate

sunshine:
this child, too, will have a mommy and a daddy.
how hetero-gorgeous.

4 04 2008
megan

As someone that can not have children, I wish the best to this family! I think that it is absolutely amazing. Being a “man” and pregnant is THEIR choice. All this family needs is support! No Negativity!

4 04 2008
newscoma

Megan, agreed. Same here. I’m just glad they are happy.

4 04 2008
In Touch With Reality

In humans (chromosomal abnormalities aside), sex chromosomes denoted as XX produce a female, and XY produce a male. No amount of hormones, psychotherapy, or surgery will change the genetic makeup of this person into a man! The person IS FEMALE and will always be FEMALE. I feel sympathy for her poor child!

What I consider to be interesting is that many people have become so indolent that they don’t think for themselves anymore about what is “normal” (acceptable) versus “abnormal” (unacceptable) behavior. I am capable of individual thought and will not be brainwashed by society into believing that political correctness is mandatory, and that homosexuality and all of its perversions are “normal” and must be applauded or admired. Get over it people!!

4 04 2008
Mishy

I agree with In Touch With Reality. I think they should check his genetics. Adding reproductive organs and things to his body is only changing HER physical appearance (even if not many people look there), but no surgery/operation can change what is set in genetics.

=)

4 04 2008
Mishy

to her* body.

x_x @ my typo.

5 04 2008
Mary

What about just being happy with who you are and how you were born? Except for those who are born with some kind of disease, disfiguration etc… theren is a reason to be operated. Sex change is mutilating the body and that’s what bothers me. Future Frankenstein’s because of the operations gone wild and wrong. There are sooo many unhappy people because of their images. Sometimes they make it worse. The doctors are the ones having the most fun with all of the cash coming through. The media love these stories. Even the people who do piercing and tattoos etc… hey, don’t get me wrong, I would like one or two tribal tattoos, I love art. Here’s the thing, how much is too much when you can’t even recognize the person, your son, your own daughter, parents etc… Do we love our selves less each day? I cannot applaud a parent who helps a young child change their sex with hormones and with what ever there is out there. We need to teach our children to love them selves more so, than just helping them change their image. A child can change his/her ideas in any time. At least wait until he/she is an adult.

It’s interesting to hear that Thomas Beatie did not feel that she was a boy trapped in a girl’s body. It’s interesting to know that she was first interested in the same sex in her early twenties. I get confused because some say she’s a lesbian and she calls herself a man, now a “legally” man. This is a crazy and confused world. Just because a person has dark skin and his skin has changed because of a disease like Vitiligo, it does not make them a Caucasian. A person should not forget where they came from. I can change a lot of my features but it will never change who I really am since birth. People tend to want to be something else or somebody else except for themselves. Take Jocelyn Wildenstein who has features of a cat. It does not make her cat although people call her cat woman. What made her so unhappy of herself and her looks? What triggered this change… genes? Everything is about genes these days.

People can go about their business, but why go through the media? They are making this issue everybody else’s business. It would have been better for them if they kept it private…. Why? Not for their sake, (although they need emotional and mental stability) but for the sake of their new baby girl. Although, one would like to educate the children about all of theses issues at the end they have to deal with other people in school, in the family etc… I think they are making there child’s life more difficult. No matter what and no matter where you hide the truth always comes out from people you least expect. We have to put ourselves in the child perspective.

What makes a boy a boy and a girl a girl? How do we explain to our children all of these cases? As for myself I try to include it in my multicultural lecture and at least try to teach children respect for others, their ways, their culture, religions, beliefs, etc… Trying to explain Thomas Beatie’s case to my own child, a nine year old boy, has been very difficult because he just can’t figure it out. It does not make him stupid or ignorant. He simply does not understand. He saw it on the news after watching a kids program. Thomas Beatie’s daughter will not be a different case. She will wonder and ask a lot of questions. No one can assure she will understand.

On the birth of Thomas Beatie little girl; would she prefer the doctors to say: “Congratulations on your child!” instead of “Congratulations on your little baby girl!” The first thing any parent, who’s had a child, always asks: what is it? Is it a boy or a girl? A baby cannot name him/her self. I cannot name my self; I am either a man or a woman. Gay, lesbian, bisexual, transsexual, transgender … My apologies in advance for what I’m about to say, but I’m afraid of what’s coming next. These are being “accepted” by society a bit. I’m happy in one hand because it will stop most of the abuse and discrimination against them. On the other hand we have zoosexuality or zoophiles, ‘consensual’ incest, ephebophilia, pansexual, polysexual, asexual, pederasty, necrophiliac, pedophilia, nymphomania, satyriasis and so forth. As unbelievable as it may sound, sooner or later some of these would love to fight for respect, acceptance and their human rights in society. These human behaviors have existed through all our history and in all culture. Is true identity being lost? I guess nobody will ever be “sexually”, “humanly”, “emotionally”, “mentally” and “spiritually” satisfied. Would we have to accept every change with in time? This makes me think… how far will human rights go? I’m afraid, because politicians would accept anything for a few votes even if it means to destroy a whole society, a country, or our world.

5 04 2008
katey

wow;okay people. listen to ken hall. this guy used to be a she. she got a sex change but kept her female organs;so “he” is pregnant now.

5 04 2008
whatever

She’s a woman having a baby. She is not a man. Not even a little bit. All of this media reaction is irresponsible journalism at the least. I don’t understand how anyone can find this so awesome or different in any way from the several ladies I know that just had children. Again, Tommi is a female, has always been a female, and the surgery/testosterone/etc adds up to nothing more than the equivalent of an elaborate Halloween costume.

6 04 2008
bubbles

(s)he is a woman, physically, so i don’t see what the big deal is.

10 04 2008
Paula Pereira

I admire the couple for their courage and I hope they can be a happier family with a baby born this way. Though I am worried about their safety…

12 04 2008
Jacked up

This is WRONG! Thing about the children that are already in this world that are faced with challenging situation every day because of the actions of their parents.

Thomas and Nancy were only thinking about what people where going to say and how much publicity they were going to get compared to how their child is going to feel.

Yeah… I would want a parent who was born a female, didn’t like that, so decided to have surgery to look like a man, changed his/her mind again and decided to be like a woman and have a child for their wife. Think about it! This is someone who is not happy with anything.

If you like women and you are a women, go be a lesbian! Leave the children out your decision that you choose to make in your life.

15 04 2008
freegiftsnat

This is amazing. However there really are pregnant men currently living. There is a transgender man-named Thomas Beatie, and a REAL pregnant man that was artificially inseminated by an experiment procedure named Lee Mingwei. Lee Mingwei was born a man, and was impregnanted through a controversial procedure…

here is a link I found..

http://pregnant-man.net

16 04 2008
wow

well there marriage is legal..its in the article that he got his transgender surgery so that he and his wife could marry!

4 07 2008
lily

he or she looks terrible. such a stupid person. how is his or her child want to live after this? what is the child s goin to tell her friends about her parents? she has a mother who is a guy!

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s




%d bloggers like this: